Talk: Goblin 6

Gender?

GOBLIN-6 is listed in this article as male, but the lines spoken in The Umbrella Chronicles sound female. I am familiar with the argument made that the voice work could be interpreted to sound like a very young male, but this is dubious in my opinion. The voice actor is female, I have no doubts about that, but I am always open to be proven wrong.

To that end, is there any official way to certify GOBLIN-6's gender? My first thought would be to locate a cast list for UC, however, I can't seem to locate one. Using the cast list, one can most likely pinpoint GOBLIN-6's gender based off of the name of the voice actor.

As it stands, there are absolutely no sources for thinking GOBLIN-6 is male.

70.64.0.118 12:03, December 9, 2011 (UTC) Orca*

There are no sources suggesting he is female. All of the U.S.S. 1st squad were male. A whiny voice actor (which the game already uses a lot of) isn't sufficient. News Bot 12:24, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

All 1st USS were male; again, source? 70.64.0.118 05:43, December 12, 2011 (UTC) Orca*

BIOHAZARD 2, BIOHAZARD OUTBREAK. The only source which actually has female characters in the U.S.S. is Operation Raccoon City, which is dubiously canon at best. Goblin 6 is also dubious, considering Umbrella Chronicles is literally one third canon. There is no reason to believe he is a woman because of a whiny anime voice actor. News Bot 11:03, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

Wrong they are not all male actually they voice from UC was defintley a female voice and not a male voice and besides in the outbreak series there is a UBCS member that is a female that wears Civillian clothes so don't give me that crap saying all UBCS members are male because that's a load of rubbish—The preceding unsigned comment was made by 90.200.114.51 (talk • contribs).

No the voice was female not a male so that suggest in fact there is one female in the USS Alpha Team besides you don't have proof that's it's a male and I don't have proof that it's a female the only one can answer this question is Capcom simple as that. —The preceding unsigned comment was made by 90.200.114.51 (talk • contribs).

The U.S.S. only has male operatives in BH2 and Outbreak. Also, we're talking about the U.S.S. (Umbrella Security Service), not the U.B.C.S. (Umbrella Biohazard Countermeasure Service). And you're wrong about the "Mary" character, she is the girlfriend of U.B.C.S. soldier "Mac Dowell", not a U.B.C.S. soldier herself. That was made up. The voice of "Goblin 6" is male. If there is no proof otherwise, it stays male. --News Bot 13:09, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

WTF are you talking about I didn't say anything about UBCS I was talking about the USS Alpha Team and yet again you have no prooft that the whole Alpha Team was male because there's no proof of that and stop blabbering about they are all male until you prove it I will step back and accept it but until then not a chance ok because stop making stuff up which you don't know I'm not saying anything like that because I don't want to make a complete fool of myself —The preceding unsigned comment was made by 90.200.114.51 (talk • contribs).

Don't be nasty, you edited your submission after I replied. Trying to pretend you didn't is sad in comparison to just admitting you made a mistake. You have no proof yourself for your claim, so please do not keep demanding proof from me when I have already given two sources (BH2, BHO). Thank you. News Bot 16:29, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

To show support, I too have not heard of a female USS member on any of the Biohazard forum sites I have visited; I'd go with assigning a gender based on the voice actor, unless otherwise stated (eg. a file proving that the USS was a male-only force). I would say that Goblin 6 is of dubious canon, also; my initial opinion, however, was that the character was canon, but the whole radio-contact scenario was questionable.--Forerunner 17:10, December 12, 2011 (UTC)

One point I will address is this; regardless of past canon, O:RC has provided the same level of dubiousness in regards to the same organization (U.S.S.) in its portrayal, specifially, having female operatives. To suggest that GOBLIN-6, a character already disputed to have even existed in the canon at all, could not be female whatsoever shows a high level of bias in the face of insubstantial evidence. UC itself provides an already alternate timeline, essentially rewriting the events of the games, and adding new pieces to the storyline. Given that, there's no real reason to accept, based on past canon, that GOBLIN-6 was male, or that the 1st U.S.S. were entirely male, not in the face of the newest depictions of the organization. 70.64.0.118 07:06, December 13, 2011 (UTC) Orca*

sorry to tell you that wasn't me that was somebody else so i still don't get what you are talking about you got the wrong person

To be frank, nobody cares. --News Bot 12:51, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

New ORC video out makes is very clear Globlin 6 is female.Dracarys 02:03, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Yup. She's still not a canonical character though. News Bot 02:11, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

I love how people throw the word "canon" and "non-canon" around willy-nilly. I remember when people said Survivor wasn't canon, yet they were proven wrong. A Resident Evil game is canon unless stated otherwise. Operation Raccoon City is closely being watched over by Capcom, and they're working very closely with Slant Six. This isn't a Gaiden type deal where Capcom just let Virgin Interactive do whatever. WyrmQueen 22:50, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

There was evidence for Survivor, which fits completely with the series. There is no evidence for Operation Raccoon City, which does not fit in the series. It's another Gaiden or Confidential Report. News Bot 23:21, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Really? Pray tell, what is this "no evidence" that Operation Raccoon City does not fit the series? WyrmQueen 23:23, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention Goblin 6 appeared in Umbrella Chronicles which is canon. You're the only one I've seen who does not consider Umbrella Chronicles canon. The game had many flaws but it was canon. WyrmQueen 23:24, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Err, the burden of evidence not on me, considering there is none which suggests ORC fits or is canon. All we have that mentions "canon" is a statement from someone who has never worked on the series before and has zero authority over the series storyline. The statement given by Kawata is the status-quo of every piece of material related to the series, including the novels and comics. The game simply does not fit. Gaiden, 4D-EXECUTER and Confidential Report fit more than Operation Raccoon City ever will. I've pointed out quite extensively why the game does not fit and contradicts every single little thing it references and fails to get a single scrap of information right. It's a "what-if" scenario, like Gaiden. BHUC is not 100% canon, it is a very tricky affair. Right now, the BH2 version of 4th Survivor is considered canon. "The Fourth Survivor" requires more investigation. --News Bot 23:30, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

You're the one that claimed that the series is not canon, hence, you're the one that needs to provide sources that claims it's not. Capcom is the one that approached Slant Six to make this game. They're guiding the Slant Six team and working closely with them. It's not like Slant Six begged Capcom to let them do an RE game and then were left to their own devices. And they never said the game is a "what-if" scenario, they said you can create "what-if" scenarios by killing well-known characters if we choose to. Which is nothing new, many Resident Evil games have multiple endings. Just because we know what's going to happen, shouldn't stop them from letting us have choices, it's a matter if keeping the gameplay more interesting. And really? Gaiden fits more in the canon than ORC? The game where Leon S. Kennedy died in its one-and-only ending? Not even an alternate ending, it was THE ending. Nothing about ORC suggests it's not canon. WyrmQueen 23:52, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

As for RE2's 4th Survivor and UC's 4th Survivor, they're the exact same story. It's not like UC's 4th Survivor changed anything. WyrmQueen 23:54, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

I claimed ORC was not canon, not the series. I have already provided all the sources in a variety of places. It is up to you to bother doing your own research. The game doesn't fit with a single element of the main series canon, therefore, it isn't canon. Aside from Leon's death, Gaiden would fit in the series storyline. On the other hand, ORC has more than two dozen direct contradictions to the rest of the series. Crimson Heads and Lickers cannot be created from the same t-Virus strain, the G-Virus Seizure Operation takes places 3 days earlier in ORC, Raccoon City is overrun with zombies 20 minutes after the virus leak, the U.B.C.S. arrives in the city within that day rather than September 26, Nemesis is half-cyborg, Nemesis is created from a condemned man instead of a Tyrant, Nemesis "malfunctions" and is injected with a second parasite which would kill him, Jill comes to Raccoon City rather than already being there, and much more and whatever else. A full list will be compiled once the game comes out. As for Fourth Survivor, you're right. However, neither Goblin 6 or even Nighthawk are acknowledged in any material outside of that scenario. News Bot 00:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Can we see sources for all that stuff we said please -Williambirkin1

The game itself is the source. All of the things I've said have been shown in gameplay videos . News Bot 00:18, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I like how the video you provided proves nothing that you have claimed... WyrmQueen 00:34, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

It shows the changes of the dates and times of the outbreak. The time stamp in that video shows the game starts proper exactly one week after the virus spill. It they had gone with the correct date of September 23rd then the game would begin on Sep 30th which is wrong as we know Wolfpack are already in the city when Leon arrives in Raccoon on September 29th. The dates don't fit and don't work, therefore not canon. --News Bot 00:38, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you but there are no time stamps in this vids. WyrmQueen 00:47, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Also it doesn't matter if Goblin 6 or Nighthawk have never been mentioned outside of Umbrella Chronicles since Umbrella Chronicles itself is canon. WyrmQueen 00:48, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Do you know what a timestamp is? It clearly says "168.00 hrs" since the outbreak. Do the math and attempt to make it fit in the timeline: it doesn't. Umbrella Chronicles is "half-canon". The BH0, BH1 and BH3 scenarios aren't canon and some portions of the bonus scenarios are not canon. And yes, it does matter that they are never mentioned. Even the events of Gaiden are mentioned in canon material. If two pretty significant characters aren't mentioned (even in the glossary section of Archives II); that is a pretty clear indication. I don't write off Fourth Survivor as non-canon, however right now the official stance is that the BH2 4th Survivor is canon. --News Bot 00:57, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

BH0, BH1, BH3 are retellings from Wesker's point of view, they were never meant to replace the games. They're just half assed summations. Doesn't mean they're not canon. 168 hours since the Outbreak? The timestamp doesn't say if it's 168 hours after they broke the virus in Birkin's lab or 168 hours after everyone's realized there are zombies everywhere. In short, your assumption is inconclusive. WyrmQueen 01:04, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

The time doesn't work with either scenario you just proposed. The outbreak officially occured on September 23 and ended on October 1. Try doing the math with either you just proposed and see if you get September 23. Reviving the Gaiden Defense Force for this game isn't going to make it canon, sorry. News Bot 01:08, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but your assumption is inconclusive, we don't know what time the Wolfpack is running on. Also, I don't defend Gaiden, I hate Gaiden, it's a crappy game aside from being non-canon. Also, Gaiden was never mentioned in ANY canon materials. And Leon dying is way more important that fudged up dates (which they're not, your assumptions are inconclusive). And Nemesis is not half-cyborg... sorry if you're too much of a stick in the mud to enjoy a Terminator parody. WyrmQueen 01:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Gaiden is directly mentioned at the end of Wesker's Report, a very canon piece of material. And no assumptions on my part, you just seem to refuse to do the math for yourself. Leon also dies in this game, what's your point? We still don't know how we can allow him to survive since killing him is an objective you can't just ignore. He only survives in the Retarded Special Forces Name campaign, which is just as irrelevant to the series canon as the U.S.S. campaign. Please provide evidence which shows that ORC contradicts nothing and fits perfectly into the canon. Truth be told, the game will never be canon anyway until it is referenced in subsequent games or supplemental material. News Bot 01:18, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um1jUdTkk9Y

LOL Wesker's Report DID NOT mention Gaiden. Watch it again.

WyrmQueen 01:21, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

WyrmQueen 01:20, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I've watched it many times. In the English script, Wesker says "and Leon joined forces with an underground anti-Umbrella organization". In the original Japanese, he says the same. In the rewritten edition of the report, he says "">and Leon joined an underground anti-Umbrella organization along with Barry." The writer of Wesker's Report was also the writer of Gaiden, and in an interview he stated that Gaiden took place at the same time as CODE:Veronica (possibly actually referencing BH4, it's difficult to tell, but the dates coincided with the announcement of Gaiden). Leon does not join an anti-Umbrella organization in the canon whatsoever. News Bot 01:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

THAT COULD MEAN ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING. It doesn't mean Gaiden... WyrmQueen 01:30, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh look, another blind assumption. The only material in the series which references Leon joining an underground anti-Umbrella organization is Gaiden, and both WR and Gaiden were written by the same man, who also stated that Gaiden was supposedly canon. Leon joins the U.S. Government in the series canon. It's not a mystery what Wesker's Report is referring to, denial won't change that. News Bot 01:33, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

The U.S. Government had anti-Umbrella organizations. WyrmQueen 01:35, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

The U.S. Government had the "Anti-Umbrella Pursuit and Investigation Team" task force within U.S.STRATCOM, which Leon was never a member of (Leon joined a secret military agency under the direct control of the President immediately after Raccoon City). Not an "underground" organization. I can't believe every single thing you've ever said thus far has been an assumption. Unprecedented. News Bot 01:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, he was never a member of that just like he never teamed up with Barry. WyrmQueen 01:43, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Which proves what I said in the first place, again. News Bot 01:44, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Which proves nothing. Mentioning Leon joining some organization means nothing. WyrmQueen 01:46, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

It references Gaiden, quite directly. You seriously need to stop being in denial about every little thing you're wrong about. News Bot 01:48, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, no. No mention of Leon teaming with Barry. That can be anything.WyrmQueen 01:59, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Are you blind as much as you are in denial? http://www.projectumbrella.net/articles/Weskers-Report-I Try reading. Scroll down to the bottom. It outright says he joined an anti-Umbrella organization with Barry. The version you're relying on is outdated and is irrelevant (the one I just linked is the newest rewritten edition). News Bot 02:04, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

No he didn't LOL. I just watched the video an hour ago. He never mentioned "with Barry". Stop making crap up. WyrmQueen 02:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say watch the video. I said read the link I gave you. The video is an outdatedand badly translated version of the original script written by Hiroki Kato. It is irrelevant. The translation of the rewritten edition on Project Umbrella is the most up-to-date, relevant and canon version of the report, which was released with BH0 and REmake. News Bot 02:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thenhe didn't mention Barry. WyrmQueen 02:14, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

He didn't mention him in the non-canon script and video made in 2001. He mentions him in the canon rewritten report. Deal with it. News Bot 02:21, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

The original is the important one and the only one that matters seeing as Leon didn't die and never went on an adventure with Barry. Sorry lol. I mean re-writing something to be even more wrong? Yeah, that's why Eliminators are progenitor based. WyrmQueen 02:24, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds fine. Enjoy your opinion. News Bot 02:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Why, yes, I will. WyrmQueen 02:27, February 3, 2012 (UTC)