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| − | This page needs to be updated. In RE5 it turns out its not the T-virus but Progenitor. |
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| − | Sorry, Forerunner. I think the idea was that up until now mostly everyone (including Wesker for a while) believed that the virus in his body was a modified form of the T-virus. However, in Resident Evil 5, it is revealed in the in-game archive 'Albert Wesker' and in Wesker's conversation with Spencer, that the virus in Wesker's body is really the Progenitor virus. |
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| + | Humans (or any other animal) do not see in "Frames per second." I have removed references that imply otherwise. [[User:Dogboydog|Dogboydog]] ([[User talk:Dogboydog|talk]]) 00:57, August 8, 2012 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :I think the information was based around [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frames_per_second#Background this].-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 01:02, August 8, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :::Yeah, that's how many images humans can process individually. As in, we can tell that they are still images up until ~12 frames per second. Then the illusion of movement kicks in. But the point is the human eye/brain does not see in discrete "frames" so to speak in fps of vision is not correct [[User:Dogboydog|Dogboydog]] ([[User talk:Dogboydog|talk]]) 22:05, August 11, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | 1.) Spencer says in his conversation with Wesker that the Wesker children were to be "given birth by the Progenitor virus." |
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| + | Wasn't the prototype virus originally developed by Birkin? I think there was a file in Umbrella Chronicles, and it was stated in Wesker's report. I think Wesker got the actual Progenitor Virus as a child or something, which is why none of the other Wesker children were revealed.[[User:Ninten*|Ninten*]] ([[User talk:Ninten*|talk]]) 19:02, October 13, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | 2.) The archive called 'Albert Wesker' says that Wesker received the same virus the other children got from Birkin, someone he first met as an adult (as far as we know), and that he administered it to himself, something that would be hard for him to do if he were a baby. |
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| + | :Birkin developed the G-Virus, which was based on a virus found within the body of [[Lisa Trevor]] after years of experimentation with the [[Progenitor virus]], among other things. The Progenitor Virus was discovered in West Africa and later experimented on by Marcus, per the files of ''Resident Evil 5'' and ''Resident Evil Zero'', respectively. Albert may have been the only Wesker child to appear in the series, but [[Alex Wesker]] did indeed survive for as long as 2006. I don't remember the Progenitor Virus being mentioned in Wesker's Report at all; I may have to re-read it, though.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 20:40, October 13, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | 3.) The virus behaved very similiarly to the Progenitor virus (i.e. all the Wesker children died of it but for Wesker, just like all the aspirants to the Ndipaya throne died of the Progenitor virus but for the King, and both Wesker and the King received "great strength" and vitality due to being extremely rare survivors of their respective viruses.) |
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| − | 4.) The serum that Wesker must continually inject himself with in order to stabilize his viral infection is called 'PG67A/W,' the 'A/W' most likely stands for 'Albert Wesker,' but the 'PG' may stand for 'Progenitor.' |
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| − | 5.) It seems too odd a coincidence that Birkin somehow made a virus that reproduced the Progenitor virus's effects in an infectee when Umbrella seemed to have no breakthroughs in this regard up until then (i.e. a zombie, Tyrant, or Licker is a long way from a true superhuman). |
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| − | 6.) When Wesker hypothesizes in his diary entry in ''The Umbrella Chroncles'' that the T-virus affects people differently depending upon their personalities, he wonders what in his personality would have caused him to mutate differently from people like Marcus and Sergei, insinuating that he does not understand why he has remained so relatively human in contrast to them. |
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| − | 7.) Others who have variants of the T-virus in them (i.e. Marcus, Nemesis, etc.) were prone to violent mutation upon being mortally wounded, something that does not seem to happen to Wesker when he is near death in Resident Evil 5. (The worst he gets is increased anger and a reduction of control over his eyes.) |
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| − | 8.) William Birkin would have good reason to lie about the nature of the virus to Wesker. First, it was imperative to Ozwell E. Spencer, from whom Birkin would have received his orders, that Albert remain unaware of Project Wesker, lest Wesker be freed from Spencer's mental control. And second, Wesker would almost certainly not have allowed himself to be injected with the virus if he knew that there was almost no chance that he would survive it (because again survivors of the Progenitor virus are rare in the extreme and none of the other children had survived infection with it). Thus, Birkin probably told Albert that is was a modified strain of the T-virus in order to convince him that it was reasonably safe to use. |
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| − | So in conclusion: yeah I think it's a retcon, although it does make some sense in retrospect. |
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| − | P.S. No official source that I know of says directly that Wesker's virus is in fact Progenitor; it is only insinuated that this is the case, leaving the door open to interpretation. Thus it is important that this article be edited but kept, especially because this is one of my favorite articles on this wikia and because it is extremely well-written. --[[User:Webspidrman]] 07:48, 20 June 2009 |
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| − | :The RE5 site ITSELF says directly that Wesker injected himself with a t-virus form. He had Progenitor in him already. er...#5 makes little sense...Zombies, Lickers and Tyrants are t-virus creations. Superhuman or above human-average strength is what the virus does. What Spencer was referring to was the virus that was injected into Albert as a CHILD. He would not have been aware of Albert and William's betrayal and Birkin giving him a modified t-virus. Furthermore, Progenitor would have no effect on Wesker if he already had it in his body, all what the Progenitor did to him was an increased intelligence and become one of the few with the ability to become Tyrants - not that he became one anyway. --'''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 11:51, 20 June 2009 |
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| − | '''I hear you and I know what you are saying. But could you kindly tell me where to find the info that Wesker received the Progenitor virus as a child on the RE5 website?''' --[[User:Webspidrman]] 08:02, 20 June 2009 |
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| − | Sorry, I forgot to mention that I don't understand why Wesker would not have had superhuman abilities ''before'' dying if he was injected with the Progenitor virus as a child. It seems to me that the Progenitor virus really did give the ancient Ndipaya king "great strength," rather than just increasing his vitality and intelligence. Is it possible that Wesker's great intelligence isn't just due to the fact that he was selected by Spencer because he was exceptionally bright to begin with? Could you please explain your idea further? Thanks. --[[User:Webspidrman]] 08:16, 20 June 2009 |
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| − | Sorry, #5 above should read: It seems too odd a coincidence that Birkin somehow made a variant of the T-virus that reproduced the Progenitor virus's effects in an infectee when Umbrella seemed to have no breakthroughs in this regard up until then (i.e. a zombie, Tyrant, or Licker is a long way from a true superhuman). What I was intending to say was that the T-virus was created to be a less lethal version of the Progenitor virus but it was unable to produce superhumans; so it is unlikely that Birkin had made much more progress considering how far off Umbrella was from this goal. --[[User:Webspidrman]] 08:33, 20 June 2009 |
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| − | It doesn't matter what the official RE5 site says. In RE5, it is stated as the proginiter virus. In the official site, it said that Chris was taller then Wesker, yet in five, Wesker is five centimeters taller then Chris. So do you really think that the official site should be used in an argument? Trust me, it is the progeniter virus. Wesker did not extensivly mutate, a property of the progeniter virus, not the T-Virus. The Wesker children was not a cloning or artificial birth thingy, it was kidnapping chi8ldren from parents with above-agerage intellect and injected with the progeniter virus. Usually by the means of either a friend telling them, a medical checkup, or by force. So that is why I believe it to be the progeniter virus.[[User:AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield|AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield]] 20:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | I like this page, it is indeed well written and informative, but it isn't a variant of the T-virus. 5 did prove it ''came from'' Progenitor, but it never said that Wesker was injected by Progenitor itself. This virus is a Progenitor variant specifically designed to create superhumans, just like Uroboros, but they both accomplish that goal a bit differently. Wesker was never injected with 2 viruses: Spencer gave Birkin this virus after perfecting it so that Wesker, just like all the other children, would use it and be made superhuman. I like this article, and with that insight, I agree with those who point out it is not a "T" variant, but it shouldn't be redirected to the Progenitor page because its a Progenitor version like Uroboros. I think the page should be renamed and rewritten under the title "Wesker Virus" which is an appropriate name since it was made for the Wesker Children, but this could be conjectural since no official name has been labeled. --[[User:Mateo22|Mateo22]] 14:34, 20 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | : /facepalm. Isn't it written that they were injected with the Progenitor virus as children? Spencer would not give Birkin the same virus Wesker already had in his body. We know he was injected with P as a child, and "t as an adult. You keep mistaking the viruses, this page is on the virus Albert injected himself with to fake his death, for the virus he was injected with as a child, see: "[[Progenitor virus]]". Also, ALL mutagenic viruses in the series are the Progenitor virus anyway, just with slight mutations. I don't see why you think Albert would be given the same virus twice, a further injection would be pointless as his body would already be producing the virus anyway. It is never stated anywhere that Spencer gave Birkin the virus either.-- '''[[User:Forerunner|<font color="blue">Fore</font>]]''[[User talk:Forerunner|<font color="green">run</font>]]''[[Special:Contributions/Forerunner|<font color="red">ner</font>]]''' 11:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | It is not stated anywhere in the game that the progeniter virus was administered to them as a child. Nothing. All it says that the Wesker children were children kidnapped all over the world and administered the progeniter virus. It never states when. In RE5, the Ndpaya tribe used the progeniter virus to choose a king, and those few people who survived got powers, possibly similar to Wesker. The progeniter virus kills off most people it infects, but the T-Virus either turns them into zombies or tyrants, and Wesker is neither. Wesker's Virus killed off all but one Wesker children, which was, of course, Albert. That is a symptom of the progeniter virus, not the tyrant virus. Just use common since. The RE5 site is non-canon. it has many wrong info on it, such as Chris being 6ft 1in, and Wesker being 6ft, when Wesker clearily towers over Chris. I know it is the progeniter virus, or a variant. [[User:AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield|AlbertWeskerpwnsChrisRedfield]] 22:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | And earlier you stated that the progeniter virus made him smarter, that is incorrect. He was born smart. |
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| − | lol, I LOVE this arguement. In fact, could it be a less toxic version of T-Virus that makes its effect having nearly the same of the Progeniter?[[User:00M00|00M00]] |
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| − | Wesker never injected himself with the T-virus!!! Spencer simply says he made the children superhuman with Progenitor! Wesker's file says it was an experimental virus! Put two and two together, it was a "P" variant and NOTHING ELSE that Wesker used 2 become superhuman. I'm not mixing anything up, this virus is a Progenitor variant, just like Uroboros, bcuz it uses its own process to make a person with the right genes superhuman. Birkin got it from Spencer and gave it to Wesker, who used it 2 fake his death and become superhuman. THATS IT, NO OTHER VIRUS WAS INVOLVED. The T-virus was believed 2 be it, but read the file and listen to Spencer in the cutscene, its plainly confirmed!!! --[[User:Mateo22|Mateo22]] 17:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC) |
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Humans (or any other animal) do not see in "Frames per second." I have removed references that imply otherwise. Dogboydog (talk) 00:57, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
- I think the information was based around this.-- Forerunner 01:02, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's how many images humans can process individually. As in, we can tell that they are still images up until ~12 frames per second. Then the illusion of movement kicks in. But the point is the human eye/brain does not see in discrete "frames" so to speak in fps of vision is not correct Dogboydog (talk) 22:05, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
Origin
Wasn't the prototype virus originally developed by Birkin? I think there was a file in Umbrella Chronicles, and it was stated in Wesker's report. I think Wesker got the actual Progenitor Virus as a child or something, which is why none of the other Wesker children were revealed.Ninten* (talk) 19:02, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
- Birkin developed the G-Virus, which was based on a virus found within the body of Lisa Trevor after years of experimentation with the Progenitor virus, among other things. The Progenitor Virus was discovered in West Africa and later experimented on by Marcus, per the files of Resident Evil 5 and Resident Evil Zero, respectively. Albert may have been the only Wesker child to appear in the series, but Alex Wesker did indeed survive for as long as 2006. I don't remember the Progenitor Virus being mentioned in Wesker's Report at all; I may have to re-read it, though.-- Forerunner 20:40, October 13, 2012 (UTC)