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Request for Move[]

The USS is the Umbrella Special Services, not the Umbrella Security Services. That name does not exit in the Resident Evil Canon. I ask to rename the article to Umbrella Special Services. 81.33.93.239 17:24, September 14, 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure? I could have sworn I saw "Umbrella Security Service" written on the crate containing Nyx. Look at the scene "Activate Code XX". After the bit with Tommy Nielsen and Arnold, it will skip to Rodriguez. But... before showing him, it shows the Helicopter... On the left side of the Screen, on the Crate, is the name.Forerunner 17:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

U.S.S. Delta Team[]

So...aside from random theories thrown arund before all of the upcoming RE games...I do have one simple question; who IS that fifth man in the Delta Team gameplay screenshot. He's dressed in one of the RE2 style USS uniforms. I can wait for the game's release for anwsers, but he's a little...noticable. Gimpy Tyrant 00:44, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Canon[]

This is such a stupid page... there's no proof that Goblin 6 and Nighthawk are not canon! All side games have been proven to be canon unless directly contradicted like Gaiden. If you're gonna put non-canon members, you might as well put the USS members that were meant to appear in Outbreak File #3. They're the ones that are non-canon since their game was never released. WyrmQueen 00:40, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

The two only appear in an Umbrella Chronicles re-relling of an established event - considering that the others are non-canon due to contradictions, it is reasonable to conclude that The Fourth Survivor is non-canon, too. Outbreak File #3 was intended to be released at one point, and its characters remained within the game's coding - rather than being non-canon, consider File #3 as being in development hell.-- Forerunner 00:51, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
I think a game that was never released shouldn't take priority over a game that has been released. That's just silly. Not to mention, Capcom has used Umbrella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles clips for Jessica's Report. The contradictions in those two games can be best explained that they were told from certain perspectives. Umbrella Chronicles was mostly narrated by Albert Wesker with the exception of Ada's, Rebecca's, and Hunk's scenarios while Darkside Chronicles was narrated from Leon's point of views. They also had to take certain liberties to summarize the game since it's an arcade shooter. The games were meant to supplement and expand on the games they retold. Fourth Survivor scenario in Umbrella Chronicles didn't contradict RE2's Fourth Survivor, in fact, it supplemented it and expanded on it by showing us what HUNK was thinking the whole time and we got more glimpse of his teammates' situations and even the situation of the city at large through the radio communications. WyrmQueen 00:56, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
My apologies for that error. Yes, the retellings are largely-based around Wesker's (or Leon's) idea of what happened, with dialogue added to make the game interesting. The dialogue, however, is considered non-canon when referring to the retellings in general, though I understand your argument - it's an update to make the story more interesting, like when Capcom decided to turn Forest into a zombie. We've already had a lot of talk over whether or not GOBLIN 6 should be considered canon; the winner was the "no" side (though immature bickering may have weakened the "yes" side's case). Jessica's Report, from what I noticed, showed only so much of the Chronicles games. When showing Chris in Antarctica (as shown in Darkside Chronicles), it makes sure to skip the part where Wesker is featured (in series canon, Wesker would not have been there - this is Leon's idea of what happened, however, and is not bound to the truth).-- Forerunner 01:16, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
I moved the File #3 characters to non-canon since they shouldn't take priority over a perfectly canon game like Umbrella Chronicles. WyrmQueen 01:07, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
The Chronicles games aren't "perfectly-canon" - in the adaptation to an on-rails shooter and summation of events, the retold portions are as useful as the mobile phone adaptations - killing Nemesis in the RPD; Chris and Claire killing Steve, etc.-- Forerunner 01:16, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
I didn't mean "perfectly-canon" as in it was a perfect. Clearly they got lazy with the Resident Evil 3 portion of the game. When I meant by "perfectly canon" is that it's not un-canon. Clearly, it had flaws, especially the Resident Evil 3 portion of the game, but as I said, the game is narrated by Albert Wesker who was not there at all during the events of Resident Evil 3. The Chronicles games have been distorted because they are told from certain character's perspectives. Leon was telling Krauser about RE2 and RECV and the latter he wasn't even there, mostly what just Claire probably told him. WyrmQueen 01:20, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
And as Wesker was not personally-present during HUNK's mission or had access to his radio broadcasts (but he was aware of HUNK, as shown in "Wesker's Report"), any new conversations cannot be accepted as having genuinely taken place during the actual events, as this is merely Wesker's assumption; an imagination of what must have happened. GOBLIN 6 might exist, sure, even NIGHT HAWK -the problem is that the only time their existence was made present was in a secondary historical source filled with glaring errors (due to the narrator - Wesker - not being actively present). As such, they cannot be accepted as confirmably-canon; of course, you can still think of them as being potentially-canon, but not as canon, themselves.-- Forerunner 01:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Really? You're gonna restore characters who technically don't even exist to "canon status" over characters that do? What sense does that make? Either we get rid of the non-canon label and just let the fandom decide which they want as canon or we add characters that don't exist into the non-canon label. WyrmQueen 01:25, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Actually I was primarily reverting the spelling mistakes you re-added into the page. You're argument shows bias in that you denounce the canonicity of the "File #3" characters - of course, that is acceptable as the game was not released (though Files #1 and #2 were designed to be part of a larger series of canon events) and changes could always happen before a release (eg. removing zombies from RE5). The fandom has already decided; quite recently, in fact. As I have said before, we already had a discussion on this - multiple discussions, in fact. We agreed that GOBLIN 6 and NIGHT HAWK would be placed in a section defining them as non-canon (or be removed from the page entirely), and that the File #3 characters should be accepted as canon. I can send you links to those debates, if you want.-- Forerunner 01:34, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
The fandom can decide for themselves INDIVIDUALLY not for the entire fandom. Who gives a crap if certain fans think Goblin 6 or Night Hawk are non-canon? They appeared in Umbrella Chronicles which is canon. While the Outbreak File #3 characters don't exist since their game was canceled and never released. They shouldn't have priority over characters that exist. It makes no sense. Either we add them to the non-canon section since they don't exist or we remove the non-canon tag. I'm not bias since I desperately wanted Outbreak File #3 released but the fact that the game was never released means it's not canon. That shouldn't even be up for debate. WyrmQueen 01:40, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
There were no spelling mistakes that time. You're just being a dick and an idiot. Non-existent characters are a priority over characters that actually exist? Umbella Chronicles and Darkside Chronicles may have been inaccurate with their retellings of RE1,2,3, and CV but they were retold from certain character's perspectives plus the fact that they had to trim the games down as a proper arcade shooter but those are not enough for you dumbass "fans" to say the entire games are non-canon. And since you're not even going to talk to me about this and keep going with this nonsensical bullshit about non-existent characters being considered canon and not even going to accept my pefectly valid (way, way fucking valid, I mean come on! A game that wasn't released is canon while a game that Capcom considers canon and its clips were even used for Jessica's Report?! What drugs are you idiots taking?) opinion on the subject. You all can go fuck yourselvs. You all are not Capcom, stop acting like some canon council. WyrmQueen 01:55, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
You still don't seem to understand one particular part - it's not based on a hierarchy of canonicity. The Umbrella Chronicles re-tellings, as you agreed, were just what Wesker thought happened. As such, the dialogue within them cannot be established as having factually taken place; Wesker could not have known what they would say - the dialogue is just in the game to make it interesting. The only parts of Umbrella and Darkside that can be accepted as irrefutable canon are the original scenarios; everything else is on par with mobile phone adaptations. The problem with removing the non-canon template is that it establishes other, confirmed non-canon characters as being canon in the context of the article. If you want another debate over their canonicity, you are welcome to start a forum - I'd suggest titles such as "Is Goblin 6 canon?" and "Is File 3 canon?".-- Forerunner 01:56, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
And please mind your language - intimidation behaviour will not be tolerated here. While that last revert didn't involve spelling errors, the one before it did. Your last edit established confirmed-non-canon characters such as VECTOR to be canon (and, according to the index, appearing in Umbrella Chronicles).-- Forerunner 01:59, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
The "File 3" characters are canon. There were meant to be additional Outbreak scenarios they were to be featured in which are inter-connected storywise with the scenarios that were released. The re-tellings in the Chronicles games are not canon. CAPCOM use clips from them because they're the only source of high-quality visuals for the games they're re-telling. News Bot 11:05, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
Precisely. I also noticed that Chris Redfield's section includes the ending to the "Game of Oblivion" storyline - the part with Wesker in was intentionally cut out, with the scene cutting to directly afterwards. It was either to concentrate on Chris (and so removing a second of Wesker) or to remove an evidently-contradictory source.-- Forerunner 17:04, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
I like how you people don't read! I already said the discrepancies between the retellings are easily explained because they were told from certain character's perspectives! Wesker was the main narrator in UC while Leon is the main narrator in DC. Leon sure as hell wasn't in Code: Veronica. What he told Krauser about Code: Veronica is what only Claire have told him. And Wesker wasn't around to witness how Jill escaped in RE3, only what his sources have told him. And point to me where HUNK's retelling were contradicted? His scenario in UC no way contradicted RE2's 4th Survivor. In fact, it expanded on it by naming his the pilot who picked him up in RE2. It was the exact same scenario only expanded. And no, just because they were supposed to be canon doesn't mean they're canon now! Their game was NEVER released. They've NEVER existed. NOT CANON. By your logic then Elza Walker is part of the RE canon even though their version of RE2 was never released. Fucking idiots. Oh, and News Bot, I suggest you don't use a picture of yourself, you're ugly as sin. WyrmQueen 18:28, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
Your Elza example is irrelevant. Elza was intentionally scrapped. None of the "File 3" characters were scrapped, CAPCOM was just unable to release them due to the poor sales of File 2. The entire Outbreak series (or game depending on how you look at it) is incomplete and barely makes sense since the unreleased scenarios and characters were meant to tie-in to the ones that were released. Also, calling people idiots will only get you banned. Grow up and stop taking everything so personally. I also could not care less whether you find me attractive or not, I assure you that I have no intention of fucking you at any point in the future. News Bot 18:52, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
You're also, yet again, failing to take into account that, as you say, Umbrella Chronicles is merely Wesker's perception of what happened. Based on that, you agree that contradictions in the plot can be explained away as Wesker not understanding the whole story. He wasn't present in HUNK's mission and wasn't in contact with him; therefore, the entire scenario is Wesker's speculation of what happened based on available evidence (eg. post-mission reports). The radio chatter, GOBLIN 6 included, are just additions to the story added in by Capcom to provide extra dialogue, seeing as how HUNK doesn't have a teammate. I guess you could say that GOBLIN 6 is a canon character, who only exists in canon works as a hypothetical being that HUNK may have come into contact with.-- Forerunner 19:14, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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